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Bernoulli glmm question.

Hi,

for the case given by Rolf Turner, I would add word as a random factor. 
"word" appears as a grouping factor for the observation  "type"

  I am " more nervous ( :)  )" about  the relevance of  more complex 
random effect designs,
accounting for correlations between type and student , and/or  type and 
(word and student)
(To tell the truth, I have similar  questions about  a model I'm 
currently  working on),  as:

fit2<- glmer(y ~ sex + type + (type | student) +(1|word), family = binomial, data = X)
where there are 7  (possibly correlated), random effects for each student

or
fit3<- glmer(y ~ sex + type + (type | student) +(type|word), family = binomial, data = X)
where there are 7  (possibly correlated), random effects for each student,
and 7  (possibly correlated), random effects for for each word

D. Bates suggested , at least as a starting point:

fit3a<- glmer(y ~ sex + type + (1|student ) +(1+type:student) +(1|word)+ (1+ type:word), family = binomial, data = X)

which is a simpler model to estimate (without any correlations), still accounting for the interactions between type and (student, word)


Which would be the "right " model ?
Is the data-driven (forward) selection of random terms still accepted  (or not, according to D. Barr ) ?
Recent discussions on this list showed at least some controverse about it.

I would be glad to be "corrected" , enlighted or advised on these points.
Thanks, in advanced, for your attention

Best regards

Robert Espesser
CNRS UMR  7309 - Universit? Aix-Marseille
5 Avenue Pasteur
13100 AIX-EN-PROVENCE

Tel: +33 (0)413 55 36 26




Le 13/03/2014 08:40, Tibor Kiss a ?crit :