Repeated measures - general question
Don't know about matching SAS, but nlme::lme() with correlation=corCAR1() or glmmTMB::glmmTMB() with an ou() correlation structure should both work for accounting for autocorrelation with unevenly spaced data. Maybe you could let us know how you're analyzing the data in SAS?
On 2018-10-30 11:45 a.m., Nik Tuzov wrote:
What is the best package to analyze RM data in R, given that time is on continuous scale and the time pointsare not equally spaced. Ideally, that package should match SAS results.
Regards,Nik
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From: Alexandre Courtiol <alexandre.courtiol at gmail.com>
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Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 12:18:44 -0400 From: Ben Bolker <bbolker at gmail.com> To: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org Subject: Re: [R-sig-ME] Simulations in Fisher's Exact test Message-ID: <b9fd6b4b-e9e6-d368-4148-d9762544e169 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ? This is indeed the wrong list; r-help at r-project.org, or StackOverflow, might be more appropriate.? I am guessing this is an assignment for a class?? If so, it might be more useful to get clarification from your instructor or teaching assistant (or a colleague in your class). The help page for ?fisher.test says: simulate.p.value: a logical indicating whether to compute p-values by ? ? ? ? ? Monte Carlo simulation, **in larger than 2 by 2 tables**. Emphasis (**) added.? Since you're using a 2x2 table, I'm guessing that simulate.p.value has no effect ...? R probably should warn you, but oh well .. On 2018-10-28 7:47 a.m., Adeela Munawar wrote:
hi all, Probably I am posted in wrong mailing list. I am getting a problem in applying Fisher's exact test. I am applying Fisher's exact test as ? ntable<- array(data = c(3, 1, 8,11), dim = c(2,2)) fisher.test(ntable) now, I have to repeat the same 10000 times and have to report p-values. Using the arguments simulate.p.value in the command is producing the same results test<-fisher.test(ntable,workspace=20000,simulate.p.value=T,B=10000) what changes I have to made in my model. regards Adeela ? ? ? [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
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Adeela, with simulate.p.value = FALSE, the Fisher exact test will attempt
to create all possible contingency tables (keeping marginal sum constant) to compute the p-value of the test. With simulate.p.value = TRUE (when it has an effect -> see Ben's comment), it will only sample the space of possible contingency tables. If the number of possible contingency tables is not too large, there is not need to use simulate.p.value and if it is lower than the number of table you simulate, then you should obtain nearly the same results anyhow. In other words, I don't really understand what you are trying to achieve but a simple call to fisher.test(ntable) should do the job. ++ Alex ??? [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:48:05 -0400 From: Ben Bolker <bbolker at gmail.com> To: mairafatoretto at gmail.com Cc: R SIG Mixed Models <r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org> Subject: Re: [R-sig-ME] glmmTMB Message-ID: ??? <CABghstQFdj44Awgfhj66ZTSEAarx1xTGOVZk=XzhJ5B0vd_uBg at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ? glmmTMB implements REML by treating the fixed effect parameters as 'random variables', i.e. turning on the Laplace approximation machinery; see http://bbolker.github.io/mixedmodels-misc/glmmFAQ.html#reml-for-glmms for starting points in the literature. https://github.com/glmmTMB/glmmTMB/blob/master/glmmTMB/R/glmmTMB.R#L191 On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:26 AM Maira Fatoretto <mairafatoretto at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, I am using glmmTMb with binomial family. I chose REML=TRUE? because I have three random effects and I would like to know which is the restriction used in this? estimation in the package. The REML = TRUE have better estimation than ML in my case. Thank you. Best regards. -- *Ma?ra Blumer Fatoretto* Estat?stica - Universidade Estadual de Campinas- UNICAMP Mestra em Ci?ncias(Estat?stica e Experimenta??o Agron?mica) - ESALQ/USP - Piracicaba - SP Doutoranda em Estat?stica e Experimenta??o Agron?mica Telefone:(19) 988309481 E-mail: mairafatoretto at gmail.com ? ? ? ? [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:13:06 +0100 From: Yashree Mehta <yashree19 at gmail.com> To: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org Subject: Re: [R-sig-ME] Random intercept model- unbalanced cluster Message-ID: ??? <CAOE=hq+3u9pAr5Xp-BMWeQ4JNE-ZVpm6YYS=wEmUXhGVihvG8w at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Or is there an alternative method of modeling this subset of households who only own one plot? thank you, Regards, Yashree On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:00 PM Yashree Mehta <yashree19 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I am working with a random intercept model on a cluster dataset (Repeated measurements of plots per household). I have the usual "X" vector of covariates and one id variable which will make up the random intercept. For example, Response variable: Production of maize Covariates: Size, input quantities, soil fertility dummies etc.. ID variable: Household_ID However, about 40% of the households own one plot. The number of plots per household ranges from 1 to 13. When I estimated the random intercept model using lmer, I can extract a random intercept for all households, irrespective of their number of plots. How does lmer treat these households with just 1 plot? Also, is it theoretically correct to include these observations ? Thank you, Regards, Yashree
??? [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:23:16 -0400 From: Ben Bolker <bbolker at gmail.com> To: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org Subject: Re: [R-sig-ME] Random intercept model- unbalanced cluster Message-ID: <1a88c90a-8869-3b01-072d-57513f5293c4 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ? In principle lme4 shouldn't have problems with a subset of groups that have only one observation (although clearly the model will get more fragile/unreliable the less information is available about within vs among group variation ...).? I'd expect the random effects for groups with only one observation to be strongly shrunk toward the population mean ... if in doubt, it can be very useful to simulate a situation similar to your real data set to see what happens in cases where you know the real answer ... On 2018-10-29 5:13 p.m., Yashree Mehta wrote:
Or is there an alternative method of modeling this subset of households who only own one plot? thank you, Regards, Yashree On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:00 PM Yashree Mehta <yashree19 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I am working with a random intercept model on a cluster dataset (Repeated measurements of plots per household). I have the usual "X" vector of covariates and one id variable which will make up the random intercept. For example, Response variable: Production of maize Covariates: Size, input quantities, soil fertility dummies etc.. ID variable: Household_ID However, about 40% of the households own one plot. The number of plots per household ranges from 1 to 13. When I estimated the random intercept model using lmer, I can extract a random intercept for all households, irrespective of their number of plots. How does lmer treat these households with just 1 plot? Also, is it theoretically correct to include these observations ? Thank you, Regards, Yashree
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------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:58:09 -0300 From: John Wilson <jhwilson.nb at gmail.com> To: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org Subject: [R-sig-ME] zero-inflated glmmTMB with poly() - confidence ??? band Message-ID: ??? <CABdA5Q0o2nJTRFo+mj6Hcz_UbZ+6DM0Rxfzmyk2aOwzovjc92g at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello, I've been using the newly documented predict() with group = NA to predict population-level values, as per the thread here ( https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-sig-mixed-models/2018q4/027305.html). A follow-up question: in the case of a zero-inflated model, how would I go about to get the 95% CIs for response predictions? Obviously, I can get them for the count and the zero-component, and without poly(), I would just follow the example in Brooks et al (2017). However, I have a poly() predictor; how do I get the 95% CIs if I can't use model.matrix naively when I have a poly() in the model? The models take a while to converge, so I don't want to run a full bootstrapping either, if at all possible. Thank you! John Here's a toy dataset: library(ggplot2) library(glmmTMB) set.seed(0) x <- 1:20 z <- sample(c("a", "b"), length(x), replace = TRUE) y <- round(5 * 2*x + 3 * x^2 + 0.1 * x^3 + rnbinom(length(x), 10, 0.03)) y[c(2, 3, 5, 11, 13, 19)] <- 0 group <- sample(c("i", "ii"), length(x), replace = TRUE) df <- data.frame(x = x, y = y, z = z, group = group) ggplot(df) + geom_point(aes(x = x, y = y, colour = z)) m <- glmmTMB(y ~ poly(x, 3) * z + (1 | group), zi = ~ z, family = nbinom1, data = df) # prediction on a new grid newdata <- expand.grid(x = 1:20, z = unique(df$z), group = NA) newdata$Pred <- predict(m, type = "response") ### now how to add CIs? ggplot(df) + geom_point(aes(x = x, y = y, colour = z)) + geom_line(data = newdata, aes(x = x, y = Pred, colour = z, group = z), size = 2) + facet_wrap(~ z) ??? [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer
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