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Trend in total number of animals

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Jarrod Hadfield <j.hadfield at ed.ac.uk> wrote:
I too think that the fixed-effect slope should be an estimate of the
population slope on the log(count) scale, except for the usual
problems with counts of zero and, in this case, the (1|Year) random
effects term.  I can appreciate that you may want to incorporate year
to year variability due to weather conditions in the model but I'm not
sure what the effect of that on the fixed effect for Year would be.  I
could imagine an argument for them not interfering with each other
(the fixed effect is measuring the trend and the random effect
measures year-to-year variability around the trend line) but I am not
confident of that argument.
I'm not sure what you mean by "dealing with it properly".  Are you
considering some form of imputation?

My general approach is that, because the methods in lmer allow for
unbalanced data, there would not be a purpose in imputing counts that
were not observed.  I presume that when Number is observed the Year
and Room are also recorded (otherwise you should get rid of some of
the members of your field crew).  The only benefit that I could
imagine for imputing cases that were not observed would be if the
computational methods required balanced data.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are getting at here, Jarrod.