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[mailto:r-sig-mixed-models-bounces at r-project.org] Namens
Amelie Lescroel
Verzonden: woensdag 18 augustus 2010 10:06
Aan: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org
Onderwerp: Re: [R-sig-ME] Modelling heterogeneity and crossed
random effects
Dear all,
I did not receive any answer to my questions below. Not that
I consider that anybody "owes" me an answer but I would
really need advices from people more knowledgeable than I am.
Please let me know if I need to reformulate / shorten my
questions or examples or if they are too "na?ve".
Best regards,
Amelie
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Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:16 PM
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Subject: [R-sig-ME] Modelling heterogeneity and crossed random effects
Dear all,
I am currently trying to model the behavioural response of
individual seabirds (in terms of foraging efficiency) to the
variation in sea ice cover
(SICdr) of their foraging environment. I have 13 years of
data, birds are individually marked and followed, I have
several records (= foraging efficiency data = CPUEr in my
code) per individual (IDr) for each year
(YEARr) and individuals are followed across years.
I am trying to find the right random effect structure
(biologically meaningful and dealing with problems of
independence) and to deal with heterogeneity of the residual
variance at the same time (for all my models, the variance of
the residuals increases with increasing fitted values).
Regarding the random effect structure, would you say that
crossed random effects of the form (1|IDr) + (1|YEARr) would
correctly reflect the study design? Is there any way to model
the variance heterogeneity in lmer that would be analogous to
the varIdent or varFixed functions in nlme? So far, I can
model the variance heterogeneity with nlme only and the
(hopefully) appropriate random effect structure with lmer
only. Would you have other suggestions for dealing with this
heteroscedasticity?
Here are a couple of examples regarding the random effect
structure with some associated questions:
M1 <- lmer(CPUEr~SEXr+SICdr+(1|IDr))
Linear mixed model fit by REML
Formula: CPUEr ~ SEXr + SICdr + (1 | IDr)
AIC BIC logLik deviance REMLdev
270.2 297.6 -130.1 234.5 260.2
Random effects:
Groups Name Variance Std.Dev.
IDr (Intercept) 0.010906 0.10443
Residual 0.060610 0.24619
Number of obs: 1759, groups: IDr, 229
Fixed effects:
Estimate Std. Error t value
(Intercept) 0.3070164 0.0155734 19.714
SEXrM 0.0961795 0.0195420 4.922
SICdr 0.0026240 0.0008478 3.095
Correlation of Fixed Effects:
(Intr) SEXrM
SEXrM -0.612
SICdr -0.478 -0.006
Here, the correlation between 2 observations from the same
individual (irrespective of year) is:
0.010906/(0.010906+0.060610)=0.15
M2 <- lmer(CPUEr~SEXr+SICdr+(1|YEARr))
Linear mixed model fit by REML
Formula: CPUEr ~ SEXr + SICdr + (1 | YEARr)
AIC BIC logLik deviance REMLdev
117.1 144.5 -53.55 84.8 107.1
Random effects:
Groups Name Variance Std.Dev.
YEARr (Intercept) 0.020395 0.14281
Residual 0.059892 0.24473
Number of obs: 1759, groups: YEARr, 13
Fixed effects:
Estimate Std. Error t value
(Intercept) 0.36443 0.04367 8.345
SEXrM 0.10819 0.01175 9.207
SICdr -0.00920 0.00192 -4.793
Correlation of Fixed Effects:
(Intr) SEXrM
SEXrM -0.134
SICdr -0.367 0.009
Here, the correlation between 2 observations from the same
year (irrespective of the bird) is:
0.020395/(0.020395+0.059892)=0.25 How do I get the
correlation of 2 observations from the same individual within
a year? By modeling CPUEr~SEXr+SICdr+(1|YEARr/IDr)?
M3 <- lmer(CPUEr~SEXr+SICdr+(1|YEARr/IDr))
Linear mixed model fit by REML
Formula: CPUEr ~ SEXr + SICdr + (1 | YEARr/IDr)
AIC BIC logLik deviance REMLdev
51.29 84.12 -19.64 17.21 39.29
Random effects:
Groups Name Variance Std.Dev.
IDr:YEARr (Intercept) 0.0097178 0.09858
YEARr (Intercept) 0.0188065 0.13714
Residual 0.0500727 0.22377
Number of obs: 1759, groups: IDr:YEARr, 543; YEARr, 13
Fixed effects:
Estimate Std. Error t value
(Intercept) 0.357318 0.042408 8.426
SEXrM 0.104650 0.014207 7.366
SICdr -0.008960 0.001855 -4.831
Correlation of Fixed Effects:
(Intr) SEXrM
SEXrM -0.166
SICdr -0.365 0.004
Then, would the correlation of 2 observations from the same
individual within a year be 0.0097178/(0.0097178+0.0500727)=0.16?
My best model (in terms of AIC) so far is the following:
M4 <- lmer(CPUEr~SEXr+SICdr+(SICdr|IDr)+(1|YEARr))
Linear mixed model fit by REML
Formula: CPUEr ~ SEXr + SICdr + (SICdr | IDr) + (1 | YEARr)
AIC BIC logLik deviance REMLdev
12.88 56.66 1.559 -24.55 -3.119
Random effects:
Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. Corr
IDr (Intercept) 8.9314e-03 0.0945058
SICdr 2.3781e-05 0.0048766 -0.464
YEARr (Intercept) 2.1401e-02 0.1462922
Residual 5.0765e-02 0.2253112
Number of obs: 1759, groups: IDr, 229; YEARr, 13
Fixed effects:
Estimate Std. Error t value
(Intercept) 0.363366 0.045471 7.991
SEXrM 0.100215 0.017188 5.830
SICdr -0.009910 0.001974 -5.021
Correlation of Fixed Effects:
(Intr) SEXrM
SEXrM -0.189
SICdr -0.357 0.010
How should I interpret the random effects?
I am using the R package version 0.999375-31 of lme4 and R
version 2.9.2.
Thanks in advance for your help!
Cheers,
Amelie
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