Getting intraclass correlations from a binomial mixed model with logit link
Hi Ulf, 1. You can compute the following intraclass correlations. Let S (short for Subject) be the ID random intercept variance, I be the Item:Emotion random intercept variance, and E be the Emotion random intercept variance. Correlation between responses with same Emotion, different Items, different IDs: E / (S + I + E + pi^2/3) Correlation between responses with same Emotion, same Items, different IDs: (E + I) / (S + I + E + pi^2/3) Correlation between responses with different Emotions, different Items, same IDs: S / (S + I + E + pi^2/3) Correlation between responses with same Emotions, different Items, same IDs: (S + E) / (S + I + E + pi^2/3) Correlation between responses with same Emotions, same Items, same IDs: (S + I + E) / (S + I + E + pi^2/3) 2. The ICCs above are based on taking a latent variable view of the model. That is, we assume the responses arise from an underlying latent variable with a logistic distribution, and this logistic variable gets dichotomized around some threshold, so that we observe 0 below the threshold and 1 above the threshold. The ICCs above estimate various expected correlations in the value of this latent logistic variable. As hinted above, the intraclass correlation coefficient is, well, a bona fide correlation coefficient. So taking the inverse logit of a correlation doesn't really make sense. The latent variable approach is nice because we don't have to specify a particular value of the predictor at which to assess the ICC. If you just want to talk about correlations involving the actually observed binary variable, with no latent variable baggage, you can do that, but you have to specify the expected value of Y that you're interested in (e.g., specify the values of all the predictors). That's because the variance of a binary variable depends on the mean, so accordingly the ICC is different for different expected Y values. In my opinion the notion of ICC loses its usefulness and intuitive appeal in this context. But if you want to compute it anyway, you can follow the simulation advice offered by Goldstein, Browne, & Rasbash, 2002, section 3.2. http://www.bris.ac.uk/cmm/research/pvmm.pdf Jake
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 19:30:30 +0200 From: ukoether at uke.de To: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org Subject: [R-sig-ME] Getting intraclass correlations from a binomial mixed model with logit link Dear list members, I am asking you for help on interpretating the random effects from a binomial model (strictly 0-1 responses) with a logit link: Random effects: Groups Name Variance Std.Dev. ID (Intercept) 0.1475 0.3840 Item:Emotion (Intercept) 2.7546 1.6597 Emotion (Intercept) 0.6822 0.8259 Number of obs: 4788, groups: ID, 114; Item:Emotion, 42; Emotion, 7 I would like to get an ICC for each random intercept, but there are some conceptional problems here I cannot solve yet: 1.) ID and Item are completely crossed random effects, but Items are nested within Emotion, so I do not know if I just can get an ICC for each variance component via sigma-ID^2 / (sigma-ID^2 + sigma-Item:Emotion^2 + sigma-Emotion^2 + (pi^2/3)) with pi^2/3 as the "residual variance"-equivalent term for a binomial logit model. The variance parts for the other random intercepts would be calculated accordingly. I read the Papers from Goldstein (2002) and Browne (2005) about partitioning the variance but did not find any concrete hints about such a model which consists of crossed and nested random effects. 2.) As a side question, I would like to know if one can get these ICCs (if it is possible to get in the first place) on the probability scale and not on the logit scale as presented in the model output? I assume that just applying the inverse link function on the ICC would be no good idea, but this is just a feeling... Does anyone know, why that is wrong? Thanks for your help, kind regards, Ulf --
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