Hi Jarrod, We were finally able to dig into the statistical analysis of our heritability data (as a reminder, we are conducting a meta-analysis investigating heritability in relation to population size) and of course a few questions have come up. You had mentioned examining the residuals for the model. This may seem like a "beginner" question, how does one extract the residuals from MCMCglmm? The residuals.mcmcglmm function does not work. Summary plots of the MCMC parameter estimates appear to be roughly normally distributed, and the traces seem fine. Is this what you were referring to? We ran an unweighted analysis (heritability estimates without SEs) in both MCMCglmm and lmer to see if they give similar results, and they are basically concordant as well. However, the residual distribution for the models run in lmer (treating heritability as gaussian) is slightly skewed. These are from an unweighted analysis, though, as I have also read that lme4 is unsuitable for conducting formal weighted meta-analyses. We also had a few questions that we thought would be worth discussing about some methodological issues relating to incorporating common estimates of heritability in the literature. Bayesian methodologies have become increasingly popular to use when estimating trait heritabilities, but bayesian estimates do not provide typical standard error or variance estimates, as parent-offspring/ANOVA/REML methods do. Published bayesian heritability estimates typically only include asymmetric confidence intervals, and we unsure whether these can be translated into variance estimates that can be used to weight our meta-analysis. For now, we plan on performing a weighted meta-analysis using heritability estimates that provide S.E.s, and an additional unweighted analysis that will include the bayesian point-estimates we have collected from the literature. We were wondering if you resolved this issue in your own heritability meta-analysis and knew of a way to incorporate bayesian estimates (which form a considerable proportion of the suitable heritability estimates available, at least in recent history) into a formal weighted meta-analysis. Additionally, we were wondering about the suitability of DIC to conduct model selection for our analysis of heritability. I recall reading on this SIG list that you had mentioned that there were potential issues using DIC for hierarchical models as well as non-gaussian data. Since we're treating heritability as gaussian, would it still be appropriate? Any advise would be much appreciated!
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Jackie Wood <jackiewood7 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jarrod and Ken, Hope you had a great New Year! Thanks so much for your responses to my inquiry. Given that we've been using MCMCglmm all along, we'll probably stick with it unless there's a compelling reason to change programs. We'll be running the h2 models in the coming days and will specify a Gaussian distribution as Jarrod suggested; we have quite a bit of data so hopefully the residuals will behave! The advice is much appreciated as always! Jackie On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Jarrod Hadfield <j.hadfield at ed.ac.uk> wrote:
Hi Jackie, The data are not binomial they are continuous: a beta distribution is probably most appropriate for continuos observations bounded by 0 and 1. However, although heritabilities are bounded by 0 and 1, heritability estimates are not necessarily so, depending on the method of inference (for example it would be possible to get a negative parent-offspring regression, either by chance or through certain types of maternal effect). We have just finished a meta-analysis of h2 estimates and just treated them as Gaussian. The distribution of the residuals wasn't far off and I think the conclusions are robust to the distributional assumptions. Have you checked your residuals - do they look badly non-normal? Cheers, Jarrod Quoting Ken Beath <ken.beath at mq.edu.au> on Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:30:03 +1100: If you have the original data giving the numerator and denominator for
the proportion then it is binomial data, and can be modelled in a met-analysis. I don't know if this can be done with MCMCglmm but should be possible with STAN, JAGS or BUGS. All will require a bit of effort in setting up the model. On 24 December 2014 at 07:17, Jackie Wood <jackiewood7 at gmail.com> wrote: Dear R-users,
I am attempting to conduct a meta-analysis to investigate the
relationship
of narrow-sense heritability with population size. In previous work, I
have
used MCMCglmm to conduct a formal meta-analysis which allowed me to
account
for the effect of sampling error through the argument "mev". This was
relatively easy to do for a continuous response variable, however,
heritability is presented as a proportion and is therefore bounded by 0
and
1 which clearly changes the situation.
In fact, I am not actually certain if it possible to conduct a formal
weighted meta-analysis on the heritability data using MCMCglmm. I have
seen
elsewhere where data presented as a proportion (survival,
yolk-conversion
efficiency for example) has been logit transformed and fitted using a
Gaussian error distribution (though this was done using REML rather than
Bayesian modelling) but I don't know if this is a legitimate strategy
for a
formal meta-analysis using heritability as a response variable since any
transformation applied to the heritability data would also need to be
applied to the standard errors?
I would greatly appreciate any advice on this matter!
Cheers,
Jackie
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