Hi Andrew,
Thanks for your response.
I had just one more question. I was using a nested random effect and the
output looks like follows:
Random effects:
Formula: ~1 | year
(Intercept)
StdDev: 0.001158148
Formula: ~1 | month %in% year
(Intercept) Residual
StdDev: 7.551615 3.77298
From an example on non-nested random effect in the book, I understood that
(Intercept) is the between group variance explained by the random effect
and Residual value gives the within-group variance. And to get the StdDev,
I should actually use the intervals command?
So, in the above case the Intercept for ~1|year gives the variance between
years, the intercept for ~1|month %in% year gives the variance between
months in a given year and the residual is the within month variance in a
given year. Am I interpreting it correctly? I would divide each value by
all the total sum to get the percentage variance explained? Also, why does
the output say StdDev? Do I need to square it to actually get the variance
for the groups?
Also, the intervals command doesn?t seem to work with lme models. Anyone
has any idea about that?
Thanks
Udita
*From: *<mensurationist at gmail.com> on behalf of Andrew Robinson <
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*Date: *Monday, 13 August 2018 at 12:04 AM
*To: *"Bansal, Udita" <udita.bansal17 at imperial.ac.uk>
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*Subject: *Re: [R-sig-ME] Interpretation of lme output with correlation
structure specification
Hi Udita,
Q1 Yes. The correlation is taken into account in the model.
Q2 I am not sure that I know what you mean by that. I tend to leave the
value blank and it then gets estimated in the algorithm.
Cheers,
Andrew
On 12 August 2018 at 19:45, Bansal, Udita <udita.bansal17 at imperial.ac.uk>
wrote:
Dear Andrew,
Thank you for suggesting the book. I went through the relevant parts of
the book which helped me clarify my third question.
But I still am not clear on phi. What I understood is that it is the
within group correlation (which is solved by the model?) whose value ranges
from -1 to 1. What I didn?t understand is as follows:
Q1: Is any value of phi acceptable since it is the correlation of the
within group observations which is taken into account by the model?
Q2: The AR1 parameter estimate (the ?value?) I provide while specifying
the model is calculated based on AR model. How does the phi value relate
with that? The book did not say much on it.
Any help will be appreciated!
Thanks
Udita Bansal
From: Andrew Robinson <apro at unimelb.edu.au>
Date: Saturday, 11 August 2018 at 11:16 PM
To: "r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org" <r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org>,
"Bansal, Udita" <udita.bansal17 at imperial.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [R-sig-ME] Interpretation of lme output with correlation
structure specification
Hi Udita,
You should read the book cited in the package. It?s really worthwhile.
Best wishes,
Andrew
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On 12 Aug 2018, 7:34 AM +1000, Bansal, Udita <
udita.bansal17 at imperial.ac.uk>, wrote:
Hi all,
I was modeling the laying date of bird nests against moving averages of
weather variables for several years of data. I used Durbin-Watson test and
found considerable amount of autocorrelation in the residuals of simple
linear and mixed effect models (with month as a random factor). So, I
decided to run lme models with correlation structure specified. When I
compare the AIC of the models with and without the correlation structure, I
find that the models with the correlation structure are better.
Question 1.: How can I interpret the phi (parameter estimate for
correlation structure) value in the model output?
Question 2.: Does the interpretation of phi affect the interpretation of
the random effect?
Question 3.: How can I interpret the random effect (since this is
different from what lmer output shows which I am used to of)?
An example output is as below:
Random effects:
Formula: ~1 | month
(Intercept) Residual
StdDev: 12.53908 5.009051
Correlation Structure: AR(1)
Formula: ~1 | month
Parameter estimate(s):
Phi
0.324984
I could not find much on the interpretation for these online. Any help
will be much appreciated.
Thanks
Udita Bansal
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