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Do “true” multi-level models require Bayesian methods?
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I agree with Jake. It is common practice to use cross-level interactions to investigate the effects of covariates at different levels, even when one is not using pure Bayesian methods to estimate the models. This happens a lot in community psychology, industrial/organizational psychology, education, medicine, and in a variety other disciplines from what I have seen in the literature. Indeed, this feature lets multilevel models serve as a better way to test certain theories and hypotheses than simpler methods such as OLS regression because then the resulting model better aligns with the conceptual structure of the theory and the phenomena of interest. Aguinis, H., Gottfredson, R. K., & Culpepper, S. A. (in press). Best-practice recommendations for estimating cross-level interaction effects using multilevel modeling. Journal of Management. http://mypage.iu.edu/~haguinis/pubs.html James, L. R., & Williams, L. J. (2000). The cross-level operator in regression, ANCOVA, and contextual analysis. In K. J. Klein & S. W. J. Kozlowski (Eds.), Multilevel theory, research, and methods in organizations: Foundations, extensions, and new directions (pp. 382-424). San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass. Luke, D. A. (2005). Getting the big picture in community science: Methods that capture context. American Journal of Community Psychology, 35(3/4), 185-200. doi: 10.1007/s10464-005-3397-z Raudenbush, S. W., & Bryk, A. S. (2002). Hierarchical linear models: Applications and data analysis methods (2nd ed.). Thousand Oaks, CA: Sage Publications. Shinn, M., & Rapkin, B. D. (2000). Cross-level research without cross-ups in community psychology. In J. Rappaport & E. Seidman (Eds.), Handbook of community psychology (pp. 669-695). New York, NY: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers. Steven J. Pierce, Ph.D. Associate Director Center for Statistical Training & Consulting (CSTAT) Michigan State University E-mail: pierces1 at msu.edu Web: http://www.cstat.msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: Jake Westfall [mailto:jake987722 at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:22 PM To: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org Subject: Re: [R-sig-ME] Do "true" multi-level models require Bayesian methods? Hi Michael, This is certainly possible in, e.g., lme4 or nlme packages. My perception is actually that these kind of models are discussed pretty routinely in the traditional multilevel literature under the term "cross-level interactions." Taking a quick look at my bookshelf, I find discussions of cross-level interactions in Snijders & Bosker (2011), Hox (2010), and Goldstein (2010). Jake
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:53:23 -0700 From: mwojnowi at uci.edu To: r-sig-mixed-models at r-project.org Subject: [R-sig-ME] Do "true" multi-level models require Bayesian methods? I've been recently learning about mixed effects models (e.g. via Fitzmaurice, Laird, and Ware 's book *Applied Longitudinal Analysis*) as well as Bayesian hierarchical models (e.g. via Gelman and Hill's book
*Data
Analysis Using Regression and Multilevel/Hierarchical Models*) One curious thing I've noticed: The Bayesian literature tends to emphasize that their models can handle covariates at multiple level of analysis. For example, if the clustering is by person, and each person is measured in multiple "trials," then the Bayesian hierarchical models can investigate the main effects of covariates both at the subject and trial level, as
well
as interactions across "levels." However, I have not seen these kinds of models in the textbooks
introducing
frequentist methods. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, or an example of where Bayesian methods can do "more complicated things." Is it possible to use mixed effects models (e.g. the lme4 or nlme packages in the R statistical software) to investigate interactions of fixed effect covariates across "levels" of analysis? [[alternative HTML version deleted]]
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On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, Michael Wojnowicz wrote:
One curious thing I've noticed: The Bayesian literature tends to emphasize that their models can handle covariates at multiple level of analysis. For example, if the clustering is by person, and each person is measured in multiple "trials," then the Bayesian hierarchical models can investigate the main effects of covariates both at the subject and trial level, as well as interactions across "levels." However, I have not seen these kinds of models in the textbooks introducing frequentist methods. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, or an example of where Bayesian methods can do "more complicated things." Is it possible to use mixed effects models (e.g. the lme4 or nlme packages in the R statistical software) to investigate interactions of fixed effect covariates across "levels" of analysis?
Some structural equation models need a more flexible setup than lme4 offers: see the sem, lavaan (and OpenMX) packages for gaussian and probit options. Bayesian packages like BUGS are by nature able to fit pretty arbitrary models. | David Duffy (MBBS PhD) ,-_|\ | email: davidD at qimr.edu.au ph: INT+61+7+3362-0217 fax: -0101 / * | Epidemiology Unit, Queensland Institute of Medical Research \_,-._/ | 300 Herston Rd, Brisbane, Queensland 4029, Australia GPG 4D0B994A v