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Heteroscedasticity, lme4 and nlme

2 messages · Jennifer Bufford, Ben Bolker

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Jennifer Bufford <jbufford at ...> writes:
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You don't need family="gaussian" here, and you might be able to
write the fixed-effect part of your formula more compactly as

RGR ~ (Inv + Weeds + Site + Fam)^2 + ... 

 I assume that the plots are uniquely labeled.
That's unfortunate.  I know your data are already growth relative
to size, but does log-transforming your data help?
Yes, see pp 163ff of Pinheiro and Bates 2000 (this is referenced
in http://glmm.wikidot.com/faq)
I don't think they would need to be
varIdent(form=~1|Species) says that the residual variance differs
among species.

  (Competition|Species) says that the effect of competition varies
among species.
I'm not sure if this works: also, there's likely to be some
correlation between the different parts of the variance structure
(e.g. between estimates of differences in residual variances among species
and estimates of the random-effects variances)

  Everything you've said so far seems reasonable, but I'm still a bit
worried that you're working with too complex a model.  Can you think
of plausible ways to simplify that you would be comfortable with?

  Another option, if you really want to do complex variance models
like this, is to build your own in WinBUGS/AD Model Builder -- then
you really know exactly what's going on.

   If you can, it would be worth simulating some data that are
as complex as the models you're trying to fit, and see if you can
get reasonable answers ...